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	<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 07:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
	
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		<title>By: Ian Stewart</title>
		<link>http://themeshaper.com/wordpress-theme-structure-with-meaning-possibility/#comment-3299</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve wins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve&nbsp;wins.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://themeshaper.com/wordpress-theme-structure-with-meaning-possibility/#comment-3298</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps you could satisfy "center"-naysayers and future-proof against name-space violations by rephrasing all your element names in pig Latin?

Ustjae Iddingkay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps you could satisfy &#8220;center&#8221;-naysayers and future-proof against name-space violations by rephrasing all your element names in pig Latin?</p>
<p>Ustjae&nbsp;Iddingkay.</p>
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		<title>By: WordPress Weekly News, 16-2008: security and much more</title>
		<link>http://themeshaper.com/wordpress-theme-structure-with-meaning-possibility/#comment-1461</link>
		<dc:creator>WordPress Weekly News, 16-2008: security and much more</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 08:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ThemeShaper doesn&#8217;t like the sidebar, check out why. Maybe he got angry with it analyzing a new structure for the WordPress templates. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] ThemeShaper doesn&#8217;t like the sidebar, check out why. Maybe he got angry with it analyzing a new structure for the WordPress templates.&nbsp;[&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Stewart</title>
		<link>http://themeshaper.com/wordpress-theme-structure-with-meaning-possibility/#comment-1414</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;blockquote&gt;"A growing trend lately is to place what would normally be “sidebar” content under the main content. In light of this, perhaps “sidebar” isn’t the best choice. How about calling the old sidebar &#60;div&#62; #supporting, #subContent, or #misc?" &lt;cite&gt;&lt;a href="http://green-beast.com/blog/?p=117" rel="nofollow"&gt;Beast-Blog&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;A growing trend lately is to place what would normally be “sidebar” content under the main content. In light of this, perhaps “sidebar” isn’t the best choice. How about calling the old sidebar &lt;div&gt; #supporting, #subContent, or #misc?&#8221; <cite><a href="http://green-beast.com/blog/?p=117" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/green-beast.com');">Beast-Blog</a></cite></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Ian Stewart</title>
		<link>http://themeshaper.com/wordpress-theme-structure-with-meaning-possibility/#comment-1413</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since the widgetized area might not necessarily contain widgets and sidebar is way too suggestive—since a &lt;code&gt;sidebar&lt;/code&gt; doesn't have to be a &lt;em&gt;sidebar&lt;/em&gt;—I'm proposing the class of &lt;strong&gt;support&lt;/strong&gt; to replace the sidebar class. Extra material, related links, advertisements; all these things support the content.

If "center" is too presentational, should we move away from "header" and "footer"? Or is that moving too far from WordPress convention? Or is the convention corrupt in this case? Suprameta and Inframeta are probably too silly.

I think it's mixing languages too. I may have to live with &lt;strong&gt;main&lt;/strong&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the widgetized area might not necessarily contain widgets and sidebar is way too suggestive—since a <code>sidebar</code> doesn&#8217;t have to be a <em>sidebar</em>—I&#8217;m proposing the class of <strong>support</strong> to replace the sidebar class. Extra material, related links, advertisements; all these things support the content.</p>
<p>If &#8220;center&#8221; is too presentational, should we move away from &#8220;header&#8221; and &#8220;footer&#8221;? Or is that moving too far from WordPress convention? Or is the convention corrupt in this case? Suprameta and Inframeta are probably too silly.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s mixing languages too. I may have to live with&nbsp;<strong>main</strong>.</p>
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		<title>By: CircleReader</title>
		<link>http://themeshaper.com/wordpress-theme-structure-with-meaning-possibility/#comment-1412</link>
		<dc:creator>CircleReader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;… any other suggestions for “widgetarea” and “center/main”?

I can’t be the only one liking center, can I?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Maybe "central" ???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>… any other suggestions for “widgetarea” and “center/main”?</p>
<p>I can’t be the only one liking center, can I?</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe &#8220;central&#8221;&nbsp;???</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Stewart</title>
		<link>http://themeshaper.com/wordpress-theme-structure-with-meaning-possibility/#comment-1411</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Access is straight out of The Sandbox. Thematically, it grants access to all the pages of your blog. Practically, it holds the "skip to content" link (for people using screen readers) and the main navigation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Access is straight out of The Sandbox. Thematically, it grants access to all the pages of your blog. Practically, it holds the &#8220;skip to content&#8221; link (for people using screen readers) and the main&nbsp;navigation.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://themeshaper.com/wordpress-theme-structure-with-meaning-possibility/#comment-1410</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Main" makes more sense to me. Also, I think "widgets" is the way to go.

Why "access"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Main&#8221; makes more sense to me. Also, I think &#8220;widgets&#8221; is the way to go.</p>
<p>Why&nbsp;&#8220;access&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Stewart</title>
		<link>http://themeshaper.com/wordpress-theme-structure-with-meaning-possibility/#comment-1409</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe just &lt;em&gt;class="widgets"&lt;/em&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe just&nbsp;<em>class=&#8221;widgets&#8221;</em>?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Stewart</title>
		<link>http://themeshaper.com/wordpress-theme-structure-with-meaning-possibility/#comment-1408</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Really&lt;/em&gt;? Well, I could live with main, I guess. Sigh. Grumble. Moan. Do my intentions count? I don't &lt;em&gt;mean&lt;/em&gt; for it to be presentational? Really, I don't. Honest. It comes from using Firebug and wanting to keep everything neat.

Darn, you caught me proposing code, CircleReader! Yeah, sidebar is kinda annoying. I was talking more about the template tag though. Now that's presentational. With 2.5 you can do stuff like &lt;code&gt;&#60;?php get_sidebar('primary'); ?&#62;&lt;/code&gt;,  and include a file called sidebar-primary.php. Very cool. But weird if you're not making a sidebar, like say something in the footer. What's that, a footer bar? What if the main bulk of your content is going to be held in a widgetized area? Totally possible. Anyway, the tag calls it a sidebar, the admin area calls it a sidebar but I don't like that it's a sidebar.

Which brings me back to my classes, you're right, maybe I shouldn't call it a sidebar. Widgetarea, widgetregion, widgetzone, widgetthorax… it's tough.

… any other suggestions for "widgetarea" and "center/main"?

I can't be the only one liking center, can I?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Really</em>? Well, I could live with main, I guess. Sigh. Grumble. Moan. Do my intentions count? I don&#8217;t <em>mean</em> for it to be presentational? Really, I don&#8217;t. Honest. It comes from using Firebug and wanting to keep everything neat.</p>
<p>Darn, you caught me proposing code, CircleReader! Yeah, sidebar is kinda annoying. I was talking more about the template tag though. Now that&#8217;s presentational. With 2.5 you can do stuff like <code>&lt;?php get_sidebar('primary'); ?&gt;</code>,  and include a file called sidebar-primary.php. Very cool. But weird if you&#8217;re not making a sidebar, like say something in the footer. What&#8217;s that, a footer bar? What if the main bulk of your content is going to be held in a widgetized area? Totally possible. Anyway, the tag calls it a sidebar, the admin area calls it a sidebar but I don&#8217;t like that it&#8217;s a sidebar.</p>
<p>Which brings me back to my classes, you&#8217;re right, maybe I shouldn&#8217;t call it a sidebar. Widgetarea, widgetregion, widgetzone, widgetthorax… it&#8217;s tough.</p>
<p>… any other suggestions for &#8220;widgetarea&#8221; and &#8220;center/main&#8221;?</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t be the only one liking center, can&nbsp;I?</p>
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		<title>By: CircleReader</title>
		<link>http://themeshaper.com/wordpress-theme-structure-with-meaning-possibility/#comment-1406</link>
		<dc:creator>CircleReader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first thought was also, "Center? What was he thinking? That's a presentational term!" 
I'd put a vote in for "body" or "main."  (Thanks for resisting "thorax.")

And if you are really going to push for &lt;a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/06/26/structural-naming/" rel="nofollow"&gt;structural naming&lt;/a&gt;, why not avoid "sidebars" entirely? I hear the term "&lt;a href="http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/04/05/in-defense-of-the-wordpress-25-widget-panel?cp=all#comment-3812" rel="nofollow"&gt;widgetarea&lt;/a&gt;" is hip with the cool kids...

I like the ordinal ID's, though.  They're, um...classy.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first thought was also, &#8220;Center? What was he thinking? That&#8217;s a presentational term!&#8221;<br />
I&#8217;d put a vote in for &#8220;body&#8221; or &#8220;main.&#8221;  (Thanks for resisting &#8220;thorax.&#8221;)</p>
<p>And if you are really going to push for <a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/06/26/structural-naming/" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/meyerweb.com');">structural naming</a>, why not avoid &#8220;sidebars&#8221; entirely? I hear the term &#8220;<a href="http://justintadlock.com/archives/2008/04/05/in-defense-of-the-wordpress-25-widget-panel?cp=all#comment-3812" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/justintadlock.com');">widgetarea</a>&#8221; is hip with the cool kids&#8230;</p>
<p>I like the ordinal ID&#8217;s, though.  They&#8217;re, um&#8230;classy.&nbsp;;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Stewart</title>
		<link>http://themeshaper.com/wordpress-theme-structure-with-meaning-possibility/#comment-1400</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 01:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The games begin. :)

Center &lt;em&gt;could&lt;/em&gt; imply formatting. But then so does header and footer. Body is confusing and I like content where it is, wrapping content. It just seemed logical to me, extending the metaphor of the physical body to the divisions of the markup (Head, feet, center of gravity). In my mind it describes the code: it's between the head and the foot, it's the center.

&lt;em&gt;Thorax&lt;/em&gt; briefly flashed through my mind and was quickly dismissed. Thankfully.

Microformats: I'm expecting Sandbox (and Sandbox-based themes) to become a lot more popular very soon. I think this might be the year of microformats. What with Firefox 3 apparently making it easier to do "stuff" with them and Yahoo apparently incorporating them into searches.

Apparently, I say, because I haven't really seen any of this yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The games begin. <img src='http://themeshaper.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Center <em>could</em> imply formatting. But then so does header and footer. Body is confusing and I like content where it is, wrapping content. It just seemed logical to me, extending the metaphor of the physical body to the divisions of the markup (Head, feet, center of gravity). In my mind it describes the code: it&#8217;s between the head and the foot, it&#8217;s the center.</p>
<p><em>Thorax</em> briefly flashed through my mind and was quickly dismissed. Thankfully.</p>
<p>Microformats: I&#8217;m expecting Sandbox (and Sandbox-based themes) to become a lot more popular very soon. I think this might be the year of microformats. What with Firefox 3 apparently making it easier to do &#8220;stuff&#8221; with them and Yahoo apparently incorporating them into searches.</p>
<p>Apparently, I say, because I haven&#8217;t really seen any of this&nbsp;yet.</p>
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		<title>By: engtech</title>
		<link>http://themeshaper.com/wordpress-theme-structure-with-meaning-possibility/#comment-1399</link>
		<dc:creator>engtech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 00:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>center is a pretty bad ID name, content or body would be better. (center implies formating)

One of the things that I didn't realize Sandbox did for the longest time was support the hAtom microformat. http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>center is a pretty bad ID name, content or body would be better. (center implies formating)</p>
<p>One of the things that I didn&#8217;t realize Sandbox did for the longest time was support the hAtom microformat.&nbsp;<a href="http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom" rel="nofollow">http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom</a></p>
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